LAF 12:32 Tue Jun 9
Sterling
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Although I’d like to get fully behind Sterling’s clarion call for the football community to address racism on the back of BLM, I do think that he hadn’t clearly thought through many of his arguments on the Newsnight interview. One misguided point he made was to compare Lampard and Gerrard in the white corner vs Cole and Campbell in the black corner and comparing their managerial careers. Is he not aware that Campbell is just not very good
and Cole is not long retired from playing and is just completing his badges? Is he also not aware that, actually, both Lampard and Gerrard are making a good fist of their fledgling careers, thus vindicating their appointments? And, finally, is he not aware that both clubs who made those two appointments have in the past appointed black managers: Celtic, John Barnes and Chelsea, Ruud Gullit ? I don’t dispute that there is a salient point in there somewhere about the paltry number of black managers in our game and - as a black player who has been at the sharp end of terrible racist chants, rightly positioned to discuss this - but he’s framed his examples poorly.
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JAC
12:36 Tue Jun 9
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Well put LAF.
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Coffee
12:37 Tue Jun 9
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Colour is absolutely no bar to managerial success. Ability is. If a black man, or any other colour man, could prove himself as good a manager as Alex Ferguson he'd be in massive demand. Colour is a total irrelvance in management.
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Golden Oldie
12:43 Tue Jun 9
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Perhaps some of these players of colour could invest a small chunk of their overinflated slave wages they've amassed through their inhumane treatment of being forced to play a sport kids do daily for fun and for free, to buy a club and run it successfully enough to throw their own cash at Sol Campbell to run it into the ground.
Till then just put them rainbow laces in and kick a ball about and grin and bear it like most of the rest of us have to do.
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Sven Roeder
12:45 Tue Jun 9
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I mentioned this briefly on the other thread
Whatever we think of Lampard you think he and Gerrard have always been driven and you can imagine them being impressive in front of an owner to get a start.
As said A Cole has only just done his badges and has probably jumped ahead of more qualified coaches to get a job with the Chelsea u15’s.
Campbell comes with a lot of baggage that he would tell you is racism.
He is an ‘odd’ personality and as we know gave up at half time in a game v West Ham.
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WHU(Exeter)
12:49 Tue Jun 9
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Sally Nugent announced that it was an incredibly well articulated interview that everybody should watch.
That ptetty much told me everything I need to know.
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Northern Sold
2:29 Tue Jun 9
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Anyone hear Dwight Yorke this AM on TS playing the race card as to the reason why he has not been given a management job?? I imagine the reason he's not been considered is that he's an odious piece of shit rather than the colour of his skin...
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LAF
2:31 Tue Jun 9
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Sorry, WHU, who’s Sally Nugent?
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Sven Roeder
2:32 Tue Jun 9
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Bbc breakfast sport mouth
Resembles Olive Oyl, supports Liverpool
Doesn’t know arse from elbow
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Woodford Green
3:03 Tue Jun 9
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Northern Sold 2:29 Tue Jun 9
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I'm guessing you are referring to something you've previously read about Yorke in the Sun to refer to him as odious.
Lampard had some transgressions in his personal life but you clearly chose to ignore them a la Kay Burley when she took issue with another journalist who criticised him on the anniversary of his mums death. You kind of prove the point Yorke and Stirling are making.
Where do you stand on JT who will no doubt become a manager very soon?
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VickyPkVillageIdiot
3:07 Tue Jun 9
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I’d rather have Harvey Price managing my team than Dwight Yorke.
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Nagel
3:09 Tue Jun 9
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"Is he not aware that both clubs who made those two appointments have in the past appointed black managers: Celtic, John Barnes and Chelsea, Ruud Gullit?"
Not sure what that would have had to do with it anyway but Celtic and Rangers aint the same club.
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ak37
3:13 Tue Jun 9
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woodford Green
John Terry and Lampard obviously have BLACK labradors
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Golden Oldie
3:14 Tue Jun 9
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Nagel wrote...
Speaking of toothless simpletons...
"Is he not aware that both clubs who made those two appointments have in the past appointed black managers: Celtic, John Barnes and Chelsea, Ruud Gullit?"
"Not sure what that would have had to do with it anyway but Celtic and Rangers aint the same club."
Perhaps when he mentioned "both clubs" and went on to name those two individual clubs of "Celtic" & "Chelsea", within that tightly coded sequence, he demonstrated that he did recognise that they aren't the same club.
Simpletons sometimes have their own teeth in tact and it's only their brain that's frazzled
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Nagel
3:17 Tue Jun 9
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It's pretty clear that I was pointing out that he was incorrectly suggesting that John Barnes and Steven Gerrard had managed at the same club.
Who's the simpleton now?
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Golden Oldie
3:19 Tue Jun 9
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Why pick on the least worthy arguments for Sol Campbell to be made manager by comparing them with the most celebrated, successful and cerebral players of recent times making the step up.
Both players [Lampard/Terry] were always talked about as leaders and management material early on in their careers, same for Gerard.
No one ever suggested making Gazza manager of any club just because he's white, that's a Sol Campbell tier level of delegation.
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Golden Oldie
3:24 Tue Jun 9
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Nagel [slowly losing his title of self-appointed full set of teeth genius wrote
"It's pretty clear that I was pointing out that he was incorrectly suggesting that John Barnes and Steven Gerrard had managed at the same club.
Yet you quoted this
""Is he not aware that both clubs who made those two appointments have in the past appointed black managers: Celtic, John Barnes and Chelsea, Ruud Gullit?""
Which says exactly what you complained he never acknowledged.
Who's the simpleton now?"
It appears to be you still
It always was you Nagel
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goose
3:29 Tue Jun 9
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Teddy Sheringham is equally decorated but had to start at Stevenage.
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Nagel
3:31 Tue Jun 9
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Well, I suppose I should have quoted the previous sentence as well, just to avoid confusion in the retarded among us.
As usual you got the wrong end of the stick due to your failure to comprehend what you read. Maybe you should stick to picture books in future.
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Golden Oldie
3:38 Tue Jun 9
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Nagel
I apologise for my failure to second guess what was in your head as you mistakenly and incorrectly quoted the wrong piece of text to demonstrate the point that you ultimately failed to make.
That doesn't make my reading comprehension questionable as much as it does for your efforts in discourse.
"Maybe you should stick to picture books in future."
Yet you were the one who made the error...
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